going to turn the top button good
afternoon it is 2 p .m and we are just waiting for uh my co -chair
supervisor otto lee to arrive and then i'll call the meeting to order good
afternoon uh it is
202 on monday march 16th 2026 and i'm calling to order this regular meeting of the public safety and justice committee let's begin with a roll call please vice chairperson lee good afternoon president and chairperson ellenberg i'm here as well thank you we have a quorum thank you very much and welcome to everyone else who is on the dais with us we'll go to public comment this is the portion of the agenda set aside for members of the public wishing to address this committee on matters not on our agenda but within the purview of the public and public safety and justice committee we'll hear speakers first in chambers and then on zoom do we have any
speaker cards
or hands raised we have no request to speak in chambers and one on zoom all right let's
looking
around i don't see anybody dashing up so let's close the queue with our
single speaker please first and only speaker is parent i'm unmuting you please accept the unmute you have three minutes one
second we are having trouble hearing you i've
addressed tried
to address you guys on many occasions about the sexual abuse of my kids that my
uh my
son he's confirmed that my ex -wife was letting a man rape him beginning at the age of 13 that i've been unnecessarily bathing with the children also there was sexual contact between two of the children one child rubbed his pelvic area against the rectum of a two -year -old another child and i've reported this all to the clinic center i've reported this to this attorney's office i reported this to the sheriff's office i've reported it everywhere and there's never been a screening for my kids there's never been an investigation of any kind and we all know in this room here that my kids they deserve a screening uh but for some reason a well -connected
attorney she gets to hijack the whole system and say she gets to determine she gets to say these kids get raped and these kids get protected i mean who is she to do this i mean i mean the district attorney should be protecting the community period
and
instead what he's done filed charges against me and i've suffered great bodily harm from this attorney uh because she actually is still in the law school and as i said i've totally wants me to
shut
up about it, and she's threatening to kill my kids, and now this violence against me has escalated into hands -on violence. Just the Saturday before last, somebody tried to strangle me, and last Wednesday, somebody pushed me up against the wall, hurt my hand, then he chased me with a knife, and he said he'd kill me.
So,
I mean, it's just so disgustingly terrible what DA Rosen is doing to me and my children,
using
charges to incentivize abuse, sorry, violence, and I mean,
I
saw him just last week at the press conference for the Los Gatos party. You know, how he got all choked up and talked about parental instincts to protect children and protecting other children. I mean, it's just a bunch of hogwash how he got choked up. I mean, I don't even think Daniel Day -Lewis could do what he did at that press conference, and then he got another ovation at the State of the County meeting. I mean, he just doesn't deserve it. I mean, what is he doing? He's destroying our community with violence and sex trafficking. He's just not a good person at all. Please, guys, can you please help me get a screening for my
children? Supervisor Lee, he's got all my contact information, and if you want to see more information about everything that I said, please Google DA Rosen petition sex trafficking, all those terms together, and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Thank you so much for your time.
That was our final speaker. Thank you. The county recognizes that the topic the last speaker addressed, childhood sexual abuse, can be emotionally challenging or triggering. For some listeners, California law prohibits the disclosure of information related to an investigation of suspected child abuse or neglect. As a result, we are not authorized by law to speak to the specifics of any particular case or to the results of an investigation in that case, including when allegations are made as part of public comment. California law requires child welfare departments to immediately cross -report physical and sexual abuse of children to law enforcement and the district attorney so that swift action can be taken when needed. The public should be
assured that our county takes all allegations of child abuse and neglect seriously and takes appropriate action. That includes rapid and cross -agency responses to such allegations by the Department of Family and Children's Services, local law enforcement, the Child Advocacy Center, and the district attorney. And with that, we will move to item three, which is approval of the consent calendar. Supervisor Lee, I'd like to add item four to the consent calendar. This is the annual report from the Office of the County Executive.
I do want to offer a bit of direction. I'd like to direct the Office of the CEO to provide a report at the April PSJC meeting that includes the Office of Gender -Based Violence budget proposal for the next fiscal year and clarifies budget actions that took place last year and provides an accounting of all sources of funding for DV shelter and housing supports and any information regarding child abuse. I would like to add item four to the consent calendar. This is the annual report from the regarding anticipated reductions to services and their impact. And with that, I would move approval of the agenda.
So moved. All
right. Thank you very much. Is there a public comment on the consent calendar?
There are no requests to speak.
All right. Then let's vote to approve.
Vice Chairperson Lee? Aye. And Chairperson Allenberg? Yes. Thank you. Motion carries.
Thank you. Item five is to receive a report from the Office of the County Executive relating
to the Secure Youth Treatment Facility Program Data Book for the period July 1, 2021 through December 31, 2021. Any objections? Okay. Then we will come back to Item 6. Item 6 is to receive a report from the Probation Department relating to the Secure Youth Treatment Facility Program Data Book for the period July 1, 2021 through December 31, 2021. 24. looking forward to hearing this report great
good
afternoon everyone i'm kristin keller i'm a senior research and evaluation specialist with probation and we have provided the secure youth treatment facility data book to you all for the years of 2021 through 2024. we have presented or brought a presentation but before we begin since i know many of you have had a chance to review i just want to see if you would like us to continue with the presentation or proceed with questions i'm sure we have
reviewed but also very happy for you to go through the report briefly and highlight some of the real successes okay
so okay
for our agenda today we have the securities treatment facility overview so we'll talk a little bit about what this program is the probation stages of youth who've been committed to this program demographics commitment offenses risk level and principal service needs targeted treatment services program successes recidivism re -entry and then q a so
the secure youth treatment facility arose from senate bill 823 which was effective july 1st 2021. as of that date counties became responsible for housing programming and services for youth who have previously been committed or who would have previously been committed to the department of juvenile justice at the state level this legislation closed the division of juvenile justice on june 30th of 2023 and increased protections to prevent youth transfers to the adult criminal justice system while ensuring youth who commit serious offenses are then housed and receive rehabilitation support in their home communities in our county this is a program that occurs in the secure youth treatment facility or sytf as i'll refer to it which is
located at our juvenile hall
as
mandated in asp 823 each youth committed to this program has an individual rehabilitation plan
or
irp developed by a team of stakeholders including their probation officer system partners from behavioral health custody health the county office of education and their family or other support identified by the youth themselves
youth
then return to court every six months for an assessment of their readiness for placement in a less restrictive setting and to review their progress told towards those goals in their irp
the
population that may be committed to this sytf are youth who've committed wic 707b or pc 290 .008 offenses who are age 14 and up at the time of the event
those
youth must be deemed unsuitable by the court for a less restrictive alternative setting
to
be amenable for rehabilitation juvenile cases now may also be detained in an sytf
up
to the age of 25. so
in this presentation before i jump into this slide we're going to provide information specifically for the population of youth who are committed to this program between july of 2021 and december of 2024 in total 59 youth have been committed to the sytf during that time period and that includes 15 youth who were transferred from the djj to the sytf to finish their commitment the top of the slide the brighter blue rows on top
highlight
the youth who are or at this time as of december 31st we're committing or sorry we're serving their commitment to sytf of those youth a portion of them were in the sytf facility at juvenile hall we had one at county jail or elmwood specifically because of that individual's age and then we had a number of youth who were in less restrictive programs such as the lift program at james ranch in electronic monitoring or community supervision so these were youth who had you know made enough progress in their individual rehabilitation plan that the court decided to keep them in the sytf decided that it was appropriate to move them to less restrictive programs as of that
date we also had a number of youth who were discharged from their sytf commitment to a period of super community supervision so that was 12 views at the time and 16 who had been dismissed and the boxes on the right you can see we're just highlighting the number of youth who are actually in custody facilities at that time so of the 59 27
were
in custody and 32 were unrecognized by the official social security measure along with the 15K newspaper! to have returned to the community in some capacity. Looking at the demographics of youth committed to SYTF, the majority are Latino, 48 youth, that's 81 % of the population at this time, followed by six youth who are black, representing 10 % of the population. Three youth who are white, one Asian or Pacific Islander, and one other. So, disproportionately, Latino youth are represented.
Looking at gender, 55 of the youth, or 93%, were male. So, they make up the largest population in the group. Four youth were females. In terms of the age at their time of commitment, 40 youth, 68%, were between the ages of 18 to 25. So, the vast majority of youth who were committed to this program at Juvenile Hall or the facility in Juvenile Hall, were between those ages
at the time they
went into the program. Followed by 14 youth who were 16 to 17, and a small number who were either younger or older.
These are the most serious offenses for each youth. So, 41 % of youth were committed for homicides, 24 % or 14 youth for robbery, 17 % or 10 for assault, and a smaller number for attempted homicide, kidnapping, sex offenses, and use of a firearm.
The probation department uses the Juvenile Assessment Intervention System, or JACE, a gender -specific risk, need, and responsivity tool to identify the needs of youth who are coming into
our
custody. So, in this case, on the left side, you can see the risk level. This primarily represents the likelihood a youth will reoffend at the time of adjudication, so the majority of youth,
50%,
29 youth, were found to be at high risk of recidivism, followed by 27 youth, or 47%, at moderate risk. A very small number to youth were found to be at low risk at that time. On the right, you can see our principal service needs. So, these are needs that significantly contributed to a youth's legal issues.
The vast majority of youth, 81%,
came in with
needs related to negative peer relationships. That includes gang associations.
67%, okay, 67 % and under had, sorry, emotional factors. We had a moderate number who had parental supervision, substance use, and I wanna highlight criminal orientation. So, 60 % of the youth in this population had needs related to criminal orientation, and that specifically relates to
normalizing the legal behavior, so to speak, and kind of accepting it as justifiable in some way.
This slide outlines how targeted treatment services are carved out in the individual rehabilitation plan. So, as I said, each youth has a plan that is specific to address their principal service needs. In this example, we took the need related to, related to criminal orientation and identified what common goals and interventions might look like. So, goals might be learning to manage emotions and strengthen critical reasoning skills. And intervention to do that might be by completing a cognitive behavioral interventions class, individual therapy, rehabilitation therapy, and milieu support, as one example.
Overarchingly for this group, again, the 59 youth, all of the youth who had their primary core programming which was cognitive behavioral interventions core youth of 47 session cognitive behavioral curriculum that teaches them skills for emotional sorry
you
know it you definitely do not have to read through the slides you asked at the beginning
we have
read through them we're interested in in really a synthesis of what the takeaways are please
sorry in any case so CBICY is the program
the
primary program that the majority of youth are asked to complete in their IRP
a
smaller number were asked to complete victim impact and another program that was really common among the youth is credible messenger mentoring provided by community partners and other cognitive behavioral interventions courses like more advanced practices than the introductory core youth
looking at recidivism of the youth and this was as of April 30th 2025 so we extracted data on recidivism for this these 59 youth as of April 30th and what we found was that two youth were committed of new law violations that occurred while they were in the facility
among the
youth who had been discharged that is they've completed their SYTF commitment who are in community supervision one youth we saw with a new law violation and among the youth who had been dismissed 16 of them zero at this time had been convicted of a new law violation after dismissal
and
this recidivism data is specific to sustained petitions and adults convictions so
this
might not include youth who were rearrested overall and it does not include sustained petitions for violations of probation
I did want to note too that you know again because not all youth are represented in that figure some youth have had charges that are either pending or dismissed and so it could be that over time we see these recidivism numbers increase looking
towards re -entry the majority of youth who had re -entered the community 36 of them were employed and or enrolled in school and a smaller number seven youth were neither enrolled nor employed though the majority of them were working with their probation officer and community partners to find employment looking
at living situations the vast majority of youth who've exited the SYTF
returned
to living with family or friends so that's 68 % of the youth we've seen a smaller number
move
into subsidized housing whether transitional housing or renting independently with a rental subsidy we had at this at this time on June 30th four youth had returned to custody one with a VOP
and
three with adult arrests those three youth who returned to custody are not included in the recidivism slide as their cases were pending resolution at the time we extracted the data and a very small number were living and renting with roommates and now I think we can switch to questions
and answers thank you very much I would like to look first to comments from the public
we
have no request to speak on this item thank you
before we
go further I just really want to take a moment to to celebrate the the data in here you noted that on the SYTF youth broadly are at high risk of re -offense but from 2021 to 2025 only three of 59 youth served had new violations and all were legal violations and all were less serious offenses that is a 5 % recidivism rate this is a tremendous
accomplishment
a recidivism rate of 12 to 15 % I understand is the average across the state so to Nick and your your your team and the the entire department this is really a testament to the deep work that's being done to support and guide these youth to make meaningful changes in their lives and I appreciate that. I really think your department is the gold standard so thank you
about a
month or so ago I heard
from the
youth voices coalition and I brought this up at a JJCC meeting as well a frustration that not all justice impacted youth could avail themselves of the services and supports provided by probation
including
transitional housing employment and educational linkages what I want to be be clear about of course is that probation which is law enforcement shouldn't be the agency that we rely on to provide these services for youth who aren't their clients but of course it then begs the question of who should be doing this work for the broader community how can we replicate your successes and how can we make sure there's a smooth handoff when kids truly are done with their probation that they're out of the system but not suddenly entirely on their own when they have other very real non -criminal legal system related needs so I'm wondering if you've thought about that or if others
on the on the dais have thought about how we might support those youth when they are finished
I'd
like to invite deputy chief of on Cagarese up to discuss some of the feedback that we received when we met with the youth voices coalition and some of the activities that the department has taken into account and then of course we'd love to hear feedback from the rest of the committee
perfect
thanks Marielle
good
afternoon supervisor Ellenburg
I
believe it was in September that you had brought up this topic to us after your meeting with the I am
happy
to report that in October of 2025 the probation took your
heart and look into what we can do to help these youth who were exiting probation
so
I'm happy to report that in October 25 the
probation department
came up with a like a checklist we were able to make it into a policy that every youth who were on formal probation and who was going to be exiting probation
they
the probation officer had to go through a checklist with them to make sure that for example educational needs were met, housing were not an issue, and any other mental health services.
So
as long as they were on probation with us and prior to them being dismissed from probation.
So
we made that into our policy effective October of 2025.
And
what would the response be if any of those checklist items were not being met, they didn't know where they were going to live,
they
didn't have an educational plan,
they
needed other resources?
I'm sorry,
I
didn't mean to interrupt. That's all right. So that would mean for the probation officer to continue to work with the youth until they are
stabilized,
to make sure that everything is in place, or else they would still continue on probation for a little longer until we are able to make sure their needs are met.
So just help me understand the balance there, because of course we don't want youth to be on formal probation any longer than the law requires them to be. What I had been thinking about more was who supports them in an ongoing way rather than
keeping them
tied to probation until they meet all of those pieces.
That
could take a while.
Yes.
So an appropriate referral would be made for these youth prior to them being dismissed from probation.
The
goal is not for them to be on probation for any longer than they have to be. So, for example, if they needed assistance in an educational program, an appropriate referral would be made to, for
example,
if they needed help to get back enrolled in school, we would make a referral with NCIL, with Youth Law Foundation, and things like that.
And
tell me what a referral looks like.
Is
it telling the youth, go to this place?
Is
it doing a warm handoff and connecting the youth with the person on the other end of that referral?
It's more of a handoff with the probation officer, kind of walking the youth through the process. We don't just let them go into the
community
on their own.
It's
the probation officer who's still responsible for their case.
And have you gotten feedback from any youth who have stayed longer with the, with the probation department in order to have those needs met? I realize it's only a few months, but I'm curious if it has, if it has played out yet with anyone.
No,
I think we'd have to get back to you on that if we've heard anything positive or negative about that so far. But we haven't received any immediate feedback.
Thanks. I
think it would be good to track who opts, and presumably they have the option to stay longer, to continue to get services or walk away, right?
Correct. If
they don't want this support. So it would be interesting to get data, once you've had some months to do this work, on who is taking advantage of that offer to stay longer with probation. And the youth that say no thank you, understandably, is there some kind of exit interview or assessment at the end? At the end of whether they have a plan or just don't want support in making a plan.
So the checklist is sort of the exit interview, right? So that's the process that they, that the department implemented after this meeting, is that there's usually,
it was
more, it was more informal, more of a conversation of like, okay, you know, you're doing really well. It's time to kind of get you dismissed from probation. We're going to take you to court so that that can happen.
And
then now there's actually a formal checklist that they go through for dismissal.
We
have had a dismissal worksheet for four or five years, maybe longer now, where we actually were looking at how they were doing educationally
because
we had, the department had done a study several years ago that showed that kids were being kept on probation because of some of these issues. And we wanted to make sure that young people were going back before a judge every six months at minimum to see how they were doing and not just being left on probation because they needed behavioral health services or they needed housing.
Right,
right. So we don't want to go back in the other direction.
And
so I think this is more of just trying to formalize the process so that there is a very formal conversation with the youth about, do you want, do you feel like you need more services to be successful?
And
then it's up to the youth and the PO.
And
I'll hand it back over to Vaughn if there's anything else she wants to add.
No,
I think you added, so it's more of a conversational, Supervisor Allenburg, and taking from your feedback from your coalition with the youth.
Thank
you so much. I really appreciate it. I'll make an early motion.
I
know my colleague hasn't had an opportunity to weigh in yet,
but
to receive the report and to ask for a 12 -month report a year from now on what kind of trends you have seen with that.
Thank
you. We'll go to Chief Burchard and then to Public Defender Silver. Hold on one second. Let me just give you the courtesy.
Is
that all right? That's okay.
I'll
go after. Carry on.
Thank
you.
It's
not on.
Testing.
No,
it works.
Thank
you. There's been recent legislation, too, that's been passed that youth cannot be on probation now for any period of time over 12 months.
And
so depending how far along we are with the youth progressing through their individual rehabilitation plan as far as SYTF and just youth who are on probation,
we've
really got 12 months to work with that youth to get them in a place where they need to be, whether it's educationally, through referrals for behavior. Health support for the family. So the time
keeps
getting shorter, excuse me, shorter and shorter with youth, depending by the time they get done with court and where we're at with them. So formal probation is now only up to a year. So it's getting shorter and shorter.
So it will limit us in what we can work with the youth after that 12 months. Which may make it
more
important to think about what the linkage is when they leave probation, that those connections are. Are strong. Yeah. And that there is someone on the other side ready to continue as needed.
And
every probation officer working with youth will physically go with the youth to try to get them reconnected in school, go with their parents, meet them at the school, whatever it is that they need from us to help overcome some of these barriers.
We
all understand the educational system is difficult
for
anyone going through this system. A little more difficult maybe for our youth who have had some struggles. Trying to get them back into their home school. And
we've
all been through that process before. It's a difficult system to interact with.
And
so we certainly recognize that we are with the youth as much as we can be to get them enrolled in school. But there's a host of other difficulties that come into that.
And
certainly referrals from our part is what we do to make sure that there is a connection after we leave.
Thank
you. I really appreciate that observation.
Damon,
did you still want to weigh in?
I
don't know. I don't actually have anything else to add at this point.
Thank
you. Okay. ADO Perez. I just
have
a couple of points I think that are important to highlight.
I think
the probation department is a little modest in their advocacy for themselves. And
I
think it's really important to highlight, especially right now when we're dealing with difficult times and
we're
in the sort of pressure of providing services. What
we
have is absolutely a gold standard for services in the juvenile justice arena. And a couple things.
One,
their data collection is the gold standard. And the quality of the data you
collect,
the items you're looking for, how you're tracking this information is really outstanding. And a lot of counties are trying to replicate that. And we're a model for that. Two, the SYTF is a legislative created model. It's a model for how we're supposed to be treating our youth in the system.
It
is not our personal choice. It
is
what the law is, and we are following it.
Our
obligation as a system is to ensure that we're using it
wisely
for the people that it is intended to do, to make sure that we're not bringing in the low -level youth into this highly structured,
you
know, long -term system
of
care. So that's really important.
And I
think our probation department is doing an excellent job. And the way that we're
transitioning
our youth from the higher -level care to the step -down approach.
And
one important thing that we do really well
in
this county is the collaborative, inclusive collaboration, including, for example, the defense counsel in the, you know, creation of the treatment plan, the meeting with them, including the youth. That is stellar. And very few counties do that.
So
when you involve the youth in their own treatment, and then you get the court to also provide insight, and then the probation department,
when
the youth is doing well, is there advocating for the youth, for the youth to receive credits, for the youth to get an incentive to perform well,
we
have really a really good system.
And I
think it's important to highlight these pieces because we need to make sure
that we're doing
and maintaining what we're doing well. The
other
biggest component that I've seen in the last 10, 15 years is that our county has stood out in maintaining the excellent quality of the collaborative and rehabilitative culture of our staff. Our probation department has excellent staff that really care for the youth and that are committed for their success.
And
then the bigger piece, of course, is that the reason we
invest
all of this, and we want to do this now, is that we don't want these individuals to end up in our adult system.
And
it's a wise and smart investment. So
I
think these are really important highlights that we should, the record should reflect, and that we should make sure to outline for our probation team.
So
congratulations to all of you, and thank you for keeping up this wonderful work.
Thank
you. President Lee.
Oh,
yes. Thank you so much, Chair.
The
questions I have really is, first, echoing some of the comments that were made in the last couple of weeks. One of them has been made that this is a really great program that we're glad to see on your leadership, Nick, and your team to bring about for our youth, which
is
great, and that other counties are actually following our lead and try to copy.
And I
always like to share best practices. And this is one of those that we're doing well at.
In
the meantime, I also have spoken this a few times ago, a few years ago as well, having spoken with Judge Lucero at the time and
the Avery
Institute. Given the fact that we have a very, very low female youth population, we're looking at somewhere around zero to six is usually the number I usually see, there was a proposal that has been suggested back then with Judge Lucero about having a separate secured facility just for the girls instead of having it being in the facilities, and thinking that would be a better place for them,
partly
one thing. The other thing is that they found out in the statistics, you can correct me if I'm wrong, that
virtually
all of the girls in our system were at one point an assault, a sexual assault victim.
So
the view is that they really are more of a victim than a perpetrator of a certain type of crime. And
they
did commit a crime, probably, or suspected to do so, but at the same time, they really need help. So I just wanted to share and ask that question to see is this something that we should continue to pursue
moving
forward to find a place separate from the system we have right now.
Hi,
good afternoon.
Jill
Ugaldi. I'm the deputy chief over institutions.
So as far as our female youth population, we continue to work with them.
That's
a very great question that you asked. We
get
asked that very often. For our female youth, if
we
were to separate them into another unit, it would cause segregation. And they would be in there alone and only have interaction with essentially the staff.
So
what we propose to do is bring in other youth to have them have that social aspect of
their
stay, be able to interact and intervene with youth of their own age, their peers, to have that social aspect added to their commitment time.
So
that's why we don't separate them, and
they're
actually in one unit with general population for the time being. We also have added more. Not different services, but we've
availed
services to that individual that are very like the boys.
So
they're able to go to vocational training. They participate in educational programming with our male youth so that they still get
all
of the same resources and the same programming. I
think
it's
important to make sure that they get at least the same programming as the boys. There's
no
question about that. The
question
really here is whether or not it would be safer for them. Would they feel safer to be in the different settings
of
being in this type of a closer to a custodial setting versus in the house, even though secured.
So
that was the reason why it has been proposed when Judge Lucero was bringing that up earlier. So I just want to see what other ways we could do, because at the end of the day, we
are
trying to get these kids right to get these kids back on track. And whatever we could do to get them to not.
Not. Not just recidivism.
We
really want to bring them to a better place. And when educational systems and how we can get them to classes and programming I think is huge.
And
the follow -up. That's why we keep talking about probation.
How
we can make sure the checklist is being used to make sure they are getting those things that they need help on.
I
mean, I have college kids. I have high school kids.
And
trust me, I don't say I have a checklist, but they need help. And these are kids not even having been . I don't call crime to trouble yet. But at the same time, I think the adolescents growing up, I think it's so important that we are providing those resources.
So I
just say thank you for that work.
Teenagers are not easy to handle. And I've got plenty of experience on that already on my own. So thank you for this hard work you guys are doing. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Thank
you. Are there any final comments on this item?
Seeing
none, we will vote on the motion.
Motion
except the. I'm sorry. You made the motion already, right? And I'll certainly second that.
Thanks.
Thank you. And my motion included direction to come back in a year with data.
Correct.
Thank you.
Thank
you. Vice Chairperson Lee.
Aye.
And Chairperson Alamor. Yes.
Thank
you. Motion carries.
Thank
you very much.
Now
item seven is a report from the probation department relating to the
annual
adult probation data book for calendar year 2024.
Supervisor? I think so. I think you had wanted to go back to item five. Five.
I
did indeed. Thank you very much.
We're going
to go back to item five.
Thanks,
Kavita. All
right. Item
five is to receive a report from the Office of the County Executive relating to
the
jail facility transformation process.
And
while folks are getting situated at the staff table, although this report is being presented by the Office of the County Executive, it
is,
as you see before you, a deep collaboration involving staff from
the
Sheriff's Office and from Custody Health who are also joining us at staff table.
Thank
you, Greta. Good afternoon, Chairperson Ellenberg and Supervisor Lee, Consuelo Hernandez,
Deputy
County Executive. As Greta mentioned, I'm joined by my colleagues.
As
I might have reported in the past, we have an internal county team that's working on
this
project. That includes a representative from Custody Health
Services,
the Office of the Sheriff, Facilities and Fleet, County Council, and the Office of the County Executive.
We
have a pretty long presentation for you today, but in the interest of time, we're
going
to breeze through it and then hope to have some time for questions.
Next
slide.
Oh,
and a big thank you to Amanda Ayala, who's sitting to my left, for her organizational assistance in all of this and just her deep commitment to this project. As a reminder, the JL facility transformation process initiated October 2024 and includes these four components in front of you. This is the most
comprehensive
update we have provided thus far.
Next
slide.
Community
stakeholder engagement is the first component.
I
will breeze through this. Next slide.
Nothing
has changed here.
We are
continuing to deploy the four engagement types, including community engagement. We are updating updates through PSJC.
Next
slide.
Summary of our community engagement efforts.
There
are one -on -one engagements that are being led by our consultant, CGL.
If
you might remember about a year ago, in April, the board approved an agreement with CGL.
They
have both included operational site visits and facility condition site visits. They've
had
group discussions with several of the represented groups that are listed here. They've also scheduled one -on -one engagement meetings with the sheriff directly, including his staff, and a few others.
In
the next phase of the engagement, CGL will be reaching out to the balance of the partners, including community stakeholders, who will be given an opportunity to opt in to be interviewed by CGL with, you know, giving them about a week or so to opt into that interview. We are initiating that approach. We're going to continue that approach with our CCLIM members, who will be
interviewed
by CGL as individuals, not as the committee. Supervisor Ellenberg, you have a question? I
just
want to confirm that if stakeholders want to
provide
feedback but not have their names or organizations attached, that works for us, right?
That
is correct, Supervisor Ellenberg.
So
we're essentially offering the environment for people to engage with us
in
however way, in whatever manner. Right. So we're offering the environment for people to engage with us in however way, in whatever manner. That makes the most sense for them.
If,
you know, kind of switching to the county -led engagement,
a
big thank you to the Office of the Sheriff's Office, who helped coordinate a site visit with or participation in
the Inmate
Advisory Council, where we actually asked the inmates how they wanted to be engaged in the process. We
gave
them three questions. We participated in the Elmwood IAC and in Main Jail North.
And
we gave them a set of questions. They
gave
us feedback. And their general, you know, position was that they are absolutely interested in providing their
feedback
if it means the betterment of the environment that they're in. Thank
you.
And so that is the general approach that
we're
taking with all of our partners. We're
not
as interested in the who is participating, but
more
in addressing how they want to be engaged with and if we can provide that.
Another
example I will share with you, and thank you so much, Javier Aguirre. Who connected us with the Community Advisory Board for the Reentry Center. And just, again, to give you another example, we
had
initially offered them one -on -one engagement with CGL. And they opted for a
joint
focus
group
with all of the CAB members to meet directly with CGL.
So,
again, we were not expecting that, and we'll be working with CGL to work through that. And in the coming months, next slide. We will continue those focus group
discussions,
both county staff -led and CGL -led.
We
will continue to provide updates through CCLAM, PSJC, and the full board.
And
we are still working through the community -wide workshops. Supervisor Allenberg and Supervisor Lee, you both have expressed interest and desire to hear people's input.
We
have also heard from a lot of people to make sure that we're very clear about what input we are asking for. And how that input will be used.
If
they are more updates, we're seeing less desire to be engaged, but more sending information is sufficient. But eventually when we get to the discussion of
options
is when we think people will really start to engage.
Next
slide. The next component of this work is the technical assessment of custodial
facilities
condition and deficiencies. Next slide.
If
you might recall, there's four different phases. We
are in
between phase three and phase four.
The
only reason we have not completed phase three is because our reports are still being finalized.
Next
slide.
I
did also want to share with you something that was super helpful for us is the
approach
on the assessment. Today we're focusing on the operational
deficiencies.
And the question and the approach from our consultant is, does the
physical
plant support or hinder desired operational practices?
And
the tool that will be used for that is the operational assessments. Those have been completed for all four
facilities.
The two adult and the two juvenile facilities. Next
slide.
One fundamental core issue that came up early on, which most of you already know this, is the outdated design philosophy.
So
if you look at this table on the left, it
shows
you what we were required to provide in the different categories versus what
we're required
to provide today. And then each of our facilities was measured against three different categories. So we
had 14
different assessment categories in the staff report. We highlighted a few of them.
When
you get the full reports, you'll
have
all of the details of those operational assessments. And each facility was given a score between three different categories, whether they met the requirement fully, partially, or does not meet. And I see Greta leaning in. Go ahead, Greta.
Yeah.
I just wanted to kind of pause us on this slide because I do really feel like at the heart of the challenge we face is what's reflected on this slide. And there's a data point that's been really illuminating to
me,
which is as CGL has really done its comprehensive assessment of our facilities, we
have
not added any significant infrastructure to our GL facilities. So we've obviously made lots of small investments to upgrade particular spaces or keep the facilities running. But the entirety of Main Jail and Elmwood reflect a 90s or even much prior to that approach to criminal justice and are designed to support a population that looks nothing like the population we have today. And is designed to support meeting standards that are completely different. And far lower than the standards that we're held to today. And
so
I say this every time we talk about this, but I just want to, again, articulate publicly really how extraordinary it is that both the Sheriff's Office and
Custody
Health are doing as good a job meeting today's standards as they are.
And
it is through no less than kind of heroic efforts by staff,
including
on the facilities and
fleet
side, to keep these facilities even operating. But it's a challenge. But there is, as everyone I think in this chamber understands, some near impossible standards to meet absent some of the investments that we're going
to be
talking about flowing from this project.
Thank
you, Greta. Next slide. The preliminary findings for Elmwood is that
it
does not meet the operational needs, which should not surprise most of you. And here we've highlighted just a few of the observations that were made in the report.
If
you can imagine 62 acres. Very fragmented facility layout. And from a design perspective, we basically added buildings where they fit.
Next
slide.
The preliminary findings for Main Jail North is that it partially meets the requirements. It is more suitable for high security inmate population. And one of the highest items identified
for
this facility in terms of not meeting the requirement is the intake area. It
was
found to be inadequate.
The
design adds complexity from a managerial perspective and for both the mental health population and the custody health services team has
basically
had to find these very unique spaces to create and provide medical care. And some of the specific deficiencies are that there is no purpose -built mental health unit and no purpose -built detox unit. Next slide. The preliminary findings for Juvenile Hall is that it partially meets the requirements. Generally, functionally, the physical plant meets the requirements. But one of the observations both made at the staff level and by CGL is that when you
look
at the facilities, the housing units, they are no different than the adult housing units. Which is not the most current practice. And you'll see a very
different
approach at James Ranch. And the biggest hindrance here with this property is that it lacks the outdoor recreational space. Next slide. The preliminary findings for James F. Ranch is that it fully meets the requirement.
It, the physical, there are several physical constraints that are still
present.
Particularly around the medical clinic footprint. But the housing units. The housing units were recently constructed. And
so they
do follow the non -secure treatment -oriented youth treatment facility. It was noted during the operational visit that while the behavioral health spaces in
building
A are very good and modern, the two counseling rooms are often overbooked.
And we will be finalizing these reports over the next several weeks just to make sure that all the information is consistent.
As
you can imagine, it's over 2 ,000 pages of reports. And we will also be able to provide you an
update
on the facility conditions report as we're comparing the data that
CGL
has against our current consultant that looks at all of the facilities across the county's portfolio.
As we approach this next phase of the work,
which is
really the meat of it on the outcomes and the options, we developed a set of draft guiding principles to help us in this next phase.
CGL
put these together. After we had about a two -hour workshop with all the critical staff stakeholders and come up with some of these guiding principles that will help us as CGL and the architects come
up
with those options for us, making sure that they're grounded in these guiding principles.
Client
-centered and rehabilitative, multidisciplinary and integrated,
staff
health and sustainability, operational efficiency and cost
-effective,
flexible and durable for the future.
Next
slide.
Supervisor Ellenberg, you have asked us a number of times through
the course
of this project for us to look at best practices and for us
to
really consider the population projections. And we've studied, we've had internal conversations, we've looked at our programs unit, what
is
offered, when is it offered, how is that decision made. And we've also looked at the trends in California for some of the changes that
they've
made to address the best practices.
Next slide. Next slide, please.
Looking
at the jail population projection, not just as a number of people that we
project
to house or needing to house in our custodial facilities, but more looking at what are the needs of the people across maybe functional groups. And if we can go to the next slide. Just as an example. We're still working through this, but we know that there are folks that are with us for a short amount of time. You know, people come in and come out. They drive a lot of intake volume, but they don't have a long -term bed need.
So
if we were to think about a best
practice
or best approach for this subpopulation or this functional group, what is the operational goal for them?
We
need to provide safe and a brief stay in custody and having an efficient processing out. From a best practices approach, it's dedicated short -term housing,
separate
from long -term housing units, immediate medical and behavioral health
screening,
suicide -resistant observation cells, detox stabilization space, and rapid court access and pretrial assessment. And why does it matter?
We've
learned, you know, through the ‑‑ I've learned, I should say, that the first 72 hours carry the highest medical and suicide risk. And so when we think about what a recommendation is. What a recommendation could look like through that framing is to right size our intake space, improve screening capacity, and avoid mixing short‑term stay populations or individuals into long‑term housing units to avoid the disruption of the classification balance.
So it
makes the identification of our facility needs a bit more dynamic than to
say
we have a projection of X number of people over the next ten years,
and
so you should build X number of beds. This is more dynamic. And given the ‑‑ what we're learning as we're going through this,
we've
asked CGL to come up with a final version of this
functional
grouping and recommendations that tie those functional groups to facilities.
And
then they'll be able to look at our existing facilities to see are they and
can
they be responsive to those functional groups. And then hopefully through that, they'll also connect us with folks across the nation who have implemented and deployed, say, an intake center. So it feels like we're getting best practices from different places to address the current ‑‑ our needs rather than saying what did this
jurisdiction
do and take their approach in totality. We're learning from different pieces.
So
we will have more information for you in the coming months.
But
this is, you know, big thank you to Greta for really pushing us to ask this question.
And
Greta, I will leave it there in case you wanted to add more.
Yeah.
I just wanted to give a couple more. For example. One of the examples of how we think this
framework
really helps us narrow in on what is the right facilities approach.
So
as Consuelo mentioned, when folks first come into the facility, especially if they have a substance use disorder, they're going to be detoxing in
their
first cohort of days as they come into the facility.
That's
not generally going to be true for
folks
who have been in our custody for months or years.
So
that window is the window where detox is really critical. Conversely, you know, the sheriff's office can generally identify folks who are only going
to be in our custody for months or years. And if they're going to
stay with us for a handful of days, maybe a couple of weeks max,
we
should not be enrolling them in a multi -month program, for example.
And
so our programming space for that short -term population needs to be different.
And
so another thing I would highlight is we have incredible cost, risk, challenges transporting folks from Maine jail to Elmwood.
Right
now we have huge numbers of folks. The vast majority of folks who are coming into
our
custody are then having to be transported to Elmwood, especially since we
took
down Maine jail south. And so our housing capacity is really limited at the place where we do all of that intake. As we're looking to build out our future infrastructure, really trying to minimize the
amount
of transport given how staff intensive that is, how high risk those
transfers
are. Really trying to be thoughtful about how can we organize our
facilities
in a way that allows also custody health. To better organize its work. So as you've heard about in other
presentations,
for folks with chronic conditions who need to be seen within 14 days, if we know someone is not going to be with us in 14 days, we shouldn't be scheduling them for that appointment. We should instead be focusing on transitioning them back into the care they need as they're going to be reentering the community. So there's a lot of benefits associated with really trying to build facilities that help the sheriff's office manage the population. Right. We have had a lot of problems with that. And we know that it's been really a challenge for the sheriff's office with the fact that they're really having
to
utilize all the facilities we have in a way that's not ideal for them and certainly not ideal for custody health either.
Thank
you. I'll go to public comment first.
Do we
have speakers?
We
have one request to speak online.
Okay. Let's give that a few seconds to
see if
anyone else joins online. I
don't
see anybody moving in
person.
We're still holding at 1. Okay.
Let's close the queue at 1.
Our
speaker is Cynthia Delcourt. Delcourt.
I'm
unmuting you. Please accept the unmute.
You have
two minutes.
My
name is Cynthia Delcourt.
I'm
a debug organizer, a system impacted family member, and a District 1 registered voter.
The
report does not provide a solution to the jail issues.
These
are points speaking on what is not working already,
and
we know what they are. Failure of the jail to provide rehabilitation programs.
We
seek community -based rehabilitation solutions.
We attended a bail hearing recently where Judge Hector Ramon acknowledged that
these
facilities fail to provide rehabilitation for people.
Still,
we choose to put them in Elmwood that do not help them rehabilitate.
Thus,
considering the building of a new jail does not get to the root cause of
solving
the issues to support rehabilitation and the systemic racism that result in our jails. The point that the main jail does not and will not have the ability to accommodate specific program classroom seems to imply that building a jail is necessary.
The
community has rejected the building of a new jail over and over again. We do not need more cells to be humane. We need better management, mental health diversion, and a stop to the endless cycle of construction. I urge the board to reject the recommendation and focus on the decarceration instead.
Thank
you very much.
That
was our final speaker.
Thank
you very much.
Thank
you very much
Consuelo
and all of the folks around and with you for this report. It really is, I think, such a thoughtful, and impressive way of moving through what is probably the most complicated capital project of this and the next several decades, very likely.
So it
really is critical to get it right.
I
heard you say that you're not looking at any particular model but taking pieces, which
I
think is great. I'm wondering, and I can also take this offline if
it's
going to be a conversation, but I've been invited to look at a number of county jails in something new in Contra Costa, San Diego Youth Transitional Center, Las Colinas, San Bernardino, which apparently is doing something very novel with mental health. Do you
think
there's value in seeing these other places and have you... Have you or Greta or others traveled to any of them?
I
think there is value, and
I
think we're actually right on the cusp of being in a place where as we
start
to, through the work that we've done in assessing our facilities and really
homing
in on the deficiencies that we're going to need to cure, having that conversation,
you know,
part of why CGL was selected is they've been so centrally involved in some
of
the more path -breaking efforts and are connected to the leadership that we have in many of
these
jurisdictions. And so among the items that are really part of
the
next phase of the work is going to be trying to identify of, for example, the counties across the U .S. who've recently done something that Consuelo
referenced
this earlier, really innovative with respect to the intake booking process and
really
trying to manage that initial time or very short duration stays in custody. Which are the handful of counties that really have the best -in -class facilities in
that
vein and then determining which staff from the county are the most important ones to give the opportunity to take a look at those facilities or to, you know, also train and manage our resources well, gather information about how those facilities are operating even if we don't actually make the trip out to physically visit some of them. Great.
Thank
you. I appreciate that. And I know we'll discuss this more when we get to item eight, but just wanted to lift up one point now as it directly relates to our planning for jail facility renovation. I see you're scrambling.
Sorry.
The item eight report makes really clear that one of the primary barriers to offering in custody residential substance use treatment is the lack of appropriate space. And what I'm hearing today is a really deep understanding that ability to do that. And the fact that the building can either limit what we're able to offer or it can make it possible to deliver the
kind
of services that truly reduce recidivism, strengthen communities,
and
really ultimately lower the burden on our entire system. So I encourage all of us to really not only hold that vision yourselves, but as we start to talk
about
a design to hold us accountable to creating services that are really, something that really does honor that vision, a facility that is safe and humane and fiscally responsible and
truly
designed to help people return to our community, healthier and more stable when they arrived. And I really think this is also
fundamental
to sustainable public safety.
So
I am really encouraged and look forward to the next installment. I'll go to, did you
want
to answer? Okay. I'll go to President Lee and then take a look again on the desk.
Thank
you, Chair. I
think
the issue of whether or not we need a physical facility that I think that ship has sailed, it's not just because of the vote, but I think the community has recognized.
I
hate to use those very derogatory terms, putting lipstick on the pig is still a pig.
And this
is what we are dealing with right now in terms of our facilities.
You
know, the report made it very clear, for example, Elmwood clearly is not meeting the standards as needed when we have over 2 ,000 of our folks staying there. And
these
are part facilities, and many of them are older than me,
some
of the buildings, and I'm pretty old.
So
I think it's really something that we need to put in the, not just investment, but it's really the thought of building these spaces as needed. The main jail north, I have to know, I said it's really a crime scene with how many bad
things has
happened. It reminds me of social redemption more than, you know, what a facility should be. These days, and we have learned so much from it from these past decades, that's why I really think that we need to move forward.
Certainly,
learning from other jurisdictions is so important because they are proven
strategies
work, not just even within the United States. I
think
our chairs talk about other countries where we have shown that these type
of
facilities, they are lessons learned that we can learn from, so that people are
not
treated like, I hate to use the word animals, they are really treated like, like dignity, humanely, that through the proper program, they
will
be, they will come out in a better shape.
I'm
being very, very direct in some of my words I'm using here.
I
am certainly not happy when I go to main jail north. Every
time
I walk out, I feel scared being in there,
and I
really do think there's so much more that needs to be improved, and
the
physical changes of a lot of spaces is
long,
long overdue.
So,
anyways, I just want to say that I really look forward to the upcoming report for the full assessment of facilities, as well as continued progress toward this facility that's focused on rehabilitation.
Thank
you. Thank you. Sylvia?
Yes,
just wanted to add, when the timing is right, of course, one of the key services that we offer, of course, is the legal services, right? The three defense agencies that are so critical to the service of the clients
that,
the needs that we meet. And I think that's a really important point. I think to the supervisor's point, even
when
the infrastructure is so antiquated that it impacts
an
attorney's ability to visit with their clients, that is a due process issue. It's a Sixth Amendment issue. It's a delay issue. So, whenever you're
ready,
I think we would welcome the opportunity to provide the input from the defense agency's perspective, because if we make
it
easier and better for our lawyers to visit their clients, we're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to communicate with their clients and
communicate
with them in a way that is efficient and fast.
I think
that will be a vast improvement to our current situation.
Thank
you. Greta?
So,
Sylvia, I appreciate you raising that comment, because I think it also speaks to, I'll just put a finer point on one of the challenges.
You know,
right now, there's a very complicated workflow between custody health and custody staff trying to figure out how best to utilize the fact that we have
the
same room being used for patient care,
attorney
appointments, chaplain visits, et cetera. It
is
so complicated to try and schedule to meet all of those absolutely critical needs. And so, it is certainly the case that that is exactly among the issues that
we
need to tackle. I will also say, both relevant to your comments, Supervisor Lee, but also to the member of the public who commented, you know, to be
clear
for anyone listening. The population projections that we see are not going to
require
us to expand the capacity of our current jail facilities.
Instead,
what we're talking about is replacing facilities that do not allow us to provide for folks really critical and
basic
needs with facilities that do. We're not envisioning an expansion. If anything,
we're likely
to see a lower number of rated beds in an upgraded facility than we have today.
So,
we're really talking about shifting the capacity. Not shrinking the capacity of the jail, but making it a space that is actually appropriate, both for the folks in our custody and for the staff who work there.
Thank
you. And, of course, we'll continue to focus on alternatives to our incarceration community -based solutions as often as possible, absolutely, whenever it is safe and advisable to do so.
Yeah. And then, actually, a lot of the investments that we will be making, including
to
the intake booking area, are going to be based on the fact that, you know,
we're going to be moving to a place where we can actually get
folks
out of custody sooner, if that's a path that they can be on.
So,
we're looking forward to ensuring that that's part of the work that we get to
do as
we upgrade these facilities. The final thing that I just wanted to share, to the point about the report that is item eight, we are going to also, though, I will just share, the board knows this, but mainly with the public, face some really, really difficult choices. So, I'm going to move to item eight. So, I'm going to move to item nine, which is some of the work that Consuelo and I have been collaborating on looking
county
-wide at the level of facility investment needs. It's actually, frankly, quite depressing.
I'm
looking down at our wonderful medical examiner, coroner, who likewise needs a new facility
to
do her mission -critical work for the community. And so, the level of deferred investment in a whole range
of
county facilities is really acute. And so, as we continue to try and, for example, expand our, you know, out -of -custody behavioral health treatment facilities, upgrade
our
jail facilities, replace a lot of the critical infrastructure that we need to deliver
other
sorts of community -based services, we face some really, really
difficult
choices because our capacity to tackle this whole
range
of capital needs is quite limited by our broader fiscal situation.
And
obviously, at a time where we're looking at reductions in workforce,
it's a
hard time to be investing in
large
-scale capital projects.
So,
I just would be remiss to not provide that context to the community, too, because I think we will no doubt have to phase in some of the facility improvements on a slower time horizon than we would otherwise want to, given our need to also manage other fiscal realities that we're facing as an organization.
Thank
you so much.
Yeah,
I just want to thank Greta for pointing that out because there's been a
lot of
confusion in the community that when we say we're
building,
you know, a facility, you know, a jail, a new jail, we are not increasing the number of jail beds.
We're
actually trying to use that in order to get rid of the darn main jail north that
we
don't like, that we know is not serving our purposes well, that people are not living humanely in there.
That's
why we are all,
the
only way we could do it is we have the facility that actually meets those needs,
and
also the dilapidated facilities we have in Elmwood as well. So, I just want to make people understand we're not building it to increase the
number of
beds. We're building it so that we can get rid of the bad ones,
so
those who we have to serve in the future will have a better place to stay.
Thank
you. Thank you.
Damon. Yes,
if I could just briefly add, I know that this conversation has been going on
for
many years, but I do want to acknowledge both this team and historically, there has been substantial engagement in particular with the defense community. I know when we did the ATI
survey,
we had a series which was probably six to eight, nine months, at least four individuals,
including
myself personally, participated in a long series of meetings. I've had this particular team reach out and engage with us.
So,
I do want to acknowledge that there has been, while we may not all agree at
the
end of what the recommendation should be, I think it is important to acknowledge that the defense community has been invited to participate
and
share our perspective. And I think that that's important to call out.
Absolutely.
Thank you. I
would
like to make a motion to accept the report, receive the report.
So
moved. Second.
Vice
Chairperson Lee.
Aye.
And Chairperson Allenburg. Yes. Thank you. Motion carries. Thank you very much. We
have
two items remaining. Item seven is to receive a report from the probation department relating to
the
annual adult probation data book for calendar year 2024. We're already
at
the second report of this.
That's
amazing. Yes, Supervisor. This
is
our second annual report. You know, given the time and I know that the committee would really like to get to
the
next item and have a robust discussion, we are happy just to answer
questions
on this item. As you've seen this report before, we have with us Deputy Chief Mark Eksie
and
Senior Research and Evaluation Specialist Siroj Duttal,
should
you have any specific questions about the data. Or the programs in
adult
probation?
Thanks
so much. Very much appreciate that. And
again,
I was pleased to see the recidivism rates in Santa Clara County
continue
to trend downward and significantly lower than the state average. Again, it would appear that we are doing something right. And really, since this is only the second adult data book, I feel like we are
already
starting to show some longitudinal insight. And I'd be interested going forward in a deeper analysis
that
examines what we could, to what we could attribute this reduction. Are we looking at risk and let me stop there.
Does
that sound like a natural extension of this work?
Absolutely. I think one of the things that we've been doing both with the probation managers and
the
Deputy Chief and Siroj in particular is really trying to drill down into what is it that the POs are doing, what services are being provided, what seems to be effective.
You're
seeing a very high -level presentation here. And the data book is
intended
to be a very high -level overview.
But there
are also, as we've brought forward, much more in -depth evaluations on
intimate
partner violence, on AB 109, where we're looking at the specific evaluation, those evaluation of those specific services to see what is working, what is not working, what do we need to invest more in,
what
should we be doing? What should we be doing less of? And how do we do that given the current fiscal environment that we're in? That
should literally be the mantra for every department in the county.
What
are we doing well?
What
is not going well and should be and should see a funding shift?
What
is the accountability? How
are
we improving outcomes for folks?
Thank you
for that.
The
previous report, I really liked the chart that compared kind
of
the vision of design in the 80s and 90s and the vision of design now. And that made me think as well about the risk and need responsivity model that informs our supervision approach.
I
understand that was developed in the late 80s. Maybe there are newer approaches or newer schools of thought there and what I was thinking about specifically was the electronic monitoring bracelets that
were
seen as this great evolution, and keeping people in the community and how great and minimal intrusion.
But
as we've learned over the last few
decades,
there is an evidentiary -based understanding of how
detrimental
they can be. And there's a movement now to limit the EMP usage. So
I'm
interested overall in whether there's thought about shifting supervision philosophy.
Or
maybe there is. This program from the 80s is
still
really excellent. I
don't
want to make a presumption that because it's old it's not worthwhile.
That's
a great question.
I
think it just remains to be seen.
We're
still looking at different types of form of supervision that we have.
We've
met with a lot of different vendors and we're still just looking to see what's kind of like the best path moving forward.
I
understand ankle monitor can, could be on appearance looking a little bit, you know, archaic, but, and they have some upgraded versions with, it's like a watch and
maybe
have some dignity to that.
So
we're looking at those different things and looking at the cost compared with that just to see if those are going to be working and doing the tricks that we need
it
to do. Thank you.
And
aside from particular equipment, is the model itself still the standard, the
R
&R model?
I'd
be happy to address that.
So
yes, that is traditionally been the standard and
it
was considered quite innovative. And
in
fact, so much of the evidence based practices are based on the risk, need, and responsivity model, particularly cognitive behavioral interventions and therapies are
based
on R &R. What we can have our team do though is a literature review of the sort of supervision models that are out there right now.
We
often work with the University of Cincinnati on many of our cognitive behavioral interventions and see what they're seeing and maybe bring something back off agenda to this committee. Just to say, you know, in fact, maybe there are some areas that we could be looking into.
But
I would say to, you know,
Deputy
Chief Utzi and his managers are always looking at innovative ways to serve the community, both in communities, so through our mobile probation service centers. We have probation manager Darren Story here who also oversees our AB 109 clients. And they're constantly taking that mobile van out into the
communities,
into homeless encampments to serve people. And one of the great things about that sort of change is that we're not requiring people
to
come to our offices. And we're doing a lot and we're not just saying, like, come to see us because you need to see your
probation
officer. But really, let's give you some food. Let's give you some hygiene kits. Let's give you some other things.
So,
yes, as a model, R &R still tends to be the sort of gold standard, but
I
do think that there's innovative practices within R &R that are pushing forward.
Thank
you so much for that.
That's
really fascinating.
Look
for, I'll go to President Lee and then Greta.
Yes, well, first of all, thank you so much for this report.
It's
been a, it's been a, you know, enlightening to see the various ways these issues are broken down.
One
thing I thought was interesting specifically is regarding the highest percentage of needs, focusing on the biggest numbers of folks that need to help,
55
% of males, 68 % of female, needs the alcohol and drug treatment issues. So, on that note, on those data, the data on these numbers who, you know, need help
with
substance abuse and mental health treatment is certainly very glaring. So, what are the type of programs currently available to them through their
probation
officer right now? Because I know pre -trial has some type of alcohol monitoring program, for example. So, does that also happen to the probation side as well?
Can
you hear? Yes. So, when anybody comes on probation, they all have assessments and their needs,
their
risk assessments are done and it spits out a kind of like a formula for
what
we need to kind of like focus on. So, basically, probation doesn't provide those
services
for themselves. We actually, you know, go through our community partners and they'll provide those
services.
So, we do the referral right there when we get it and
then
we rely on our relationships with our community partners to kind of like service
them. How do you do the follow -up after the referral is done? Do you check on them?
There's
several different ways from the PO, the supervisor, the community provider also will let them, will let us know that they've been enrolled.
You
know? We check sign -in sheets, the whole deal. So, we have many different metrics on checking in to see if
they
even got, you know, the services that they needed.
And
is this model basically based on voluntary basis? In other words, we can refer them,
but
if they don't want to participate, we cannot force them to participate?
If
they need to be participated, then we'll make sure that we can refer them, yes, but then at the same time, it's a thing about how do we convince them to say, this is in their best interest.
And
if you want to move forward and be a, you know, and get off probation and do the correct things and be a positive citizen, these are the things that you probably would want to do.
Right.
And then, of course, as we know,
in
terms of substance use treatment,
more than the majority, that one time does not
work.
Correct. Multiple, multiple times. You have to keep going back, keep following up.
This is
so repugnant, but that's life, right?
We've
learned from the, so I just want to make sure that there's going to be multiple offering. And for them, if they get back into drugs again, then we have to try to go back and forth. I
just
want to make sure that after a couple
of
failures, they don't get disconnected from the treatment services.
That's what
I'm worried about. Hey, Nick.
Sorry. That
was my concern on this.
No,
apologies. Very legitimate. Thank you.
Greta
and then Nick. I just wanted to flag kind of actually
connected
to our prior discussion and following up on Mariel's suggestion that
they
provide a little bit of updated research on best practices. There's
a
related effort that several of the folks up here on the dais and at staff table have begun discussing as part of our broader work on really trying to make sure that we're managing the jail population as effectively as possible, which is to also look at what is the state of best
practice
in pretrial supervision, not only the current infrastructure that and level
of
service that we're able to offer through pretrial services, but also looking to
see
whether there are any emerging best practices for an even higher level of pretrial supervision that could be on the menu for the court in increasing the
number
of people who are not remanded to custody if we're able to develop some greater levels of out of custody supervision that really do feel aligned with best practices. So
I did
want to just flag that as there is some work that's just beginning to really kind of make sure that we're exploring that kind of top end of what alternatives to incarceration, instead of the ones that we explored through that
ATI
process, but even expanding upon that work, looking at kind of greater levels of supervision that may be available to the court as a level of supervision that would allow them to take some of the folks that are
currently
being remanded and allow them to take some of the folks that are currently being remanded and allow them to be in the community.
Thank
you. Nick.
I
was just going to add, it's interesting because for most, most clients who end up on probation, it
generally
takes a year between arrest by the time they've gone through the court
process
and by the time they reach our services. And
so
there's that gap.
What
we've noticed certainly over the past 10 years are there are more and more
clients
coming to probation with multiple dockets of probation. And
so
during that gap in that time, clients may pick up other offenses and other dockets. And certainly, as you spoke to, the principal service needs, the drug and
alcohol,
and it's also for youth as well, and on the adult side, it is a main driver of criminality. Homelessness, and we've met with Javier and talked with him
frequently
on that with our clients, it is such a driver, a driver of folks meeting those basic needs. And however, and wherever they end up to commit crimes that they do, at
least on
the substance use, it's a very, very, very different crime than it is on the violence and the assaults and things of
that
nature, but it is such a driver for so many other offenses that go on in our community. In a time when budget reductions are happening, and this is something we really, really have to pay attention to when it comes to substance use because it is such a
driver.
And if I may, I'd just like to add that I think on this issue, in particular, probation doesn't have any direct service
contracts
to provide drug and alcohol services. These are provided through behavioral health, and so as we're looking at the sort of
system
-wide impacts of budget reductions, ensuring that there are slots for our
justice
-involved clients are gonna continue to be really important. I understand that the general community also needs services, but it has an upstream impact to the jail population and to other
areas,
and so I think when Deputy Chief Etsy is talking about the fact that we
refer
out, we're really referring to behavioral health services to connect clients to those services or to the Office of Diversion and Reentry Services for housing or other types of needs. Probation does not have contracts to provide those services directly and has not for very many years.
Great.
Yeah, I would just add that we're kind of looking more holistically, too, right now at how to better
connect
certain currently fairly separate ways that people get different needs met and whether it's actually, you know, kind of actually connecting the comment I was just
making
to the one Mariel is making now. Also, whether, for example,
a
persistent challenge that we faced of having individuals on the jack list who are
waiting
for a very specific, very rarely available and sometimes not clinically
indicated
behavioral health program types, whether we might have an opportunity to,
for
example, instead of having someone wait weeks or months to get into a
residential
treatment program, perhaps be released from jail into some higher level of criminal justice supervision plus outpatient programming because I think
sometimes
we worry that folks are being released into a residential behavioral health treatment program when what they really need is supervision and a certain type of
treatment
and that may or may not actually be what that residential behavioral health treatment program offers.
So,
we're really trying to dig deep and get creative in what we're doing. And
trying
to also expand how we might have opportunities to braid together some of the criminal justice services that we offer with the behavioral health services.
Thank
you. Do
we have public comment on this item?
There
are no requests to speak on this item.
All
right.
Then
I will move that we receive the report.
I'll
second. Thank you.
Let's
vote.
Vice
Chairperson Lee. Aye. And Chairperson Ellenberg. Yes. Thank you. Motion carries.
Thank you very much.
Item
8 is the report, to receive a report from custody health services,
behavioral
health services and the Office of the Sheriff relating to in custody substance use treatment services.
Welcome.
Good afternoon. We
have a whole team here assembled for you.
What
you have in front of you is a report that really provides an overview of
in
custody substance use treatment services. And it gives you a broad overview of what custody health does from intake all the
way
through treatment. In custody support services and, of course,
considerations
for a residential treatment program.
We
don't have a formal presentation, but we're happy to answer any questions. I
know
that Megan's here from Behavioral Health as well. And so with that, we'll open it up for questions if you'd like.
Perfect.
Glad to see all of you.
I'll
look first for the public.
There
are no hands raised on Zoom and no speaker slips that have been turned in.
All
right. Then
I
will turn first to President Lee as this was his, his request for information.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for the report.
And
I mean, I certainly understand that, you know, setting up these in custody substance treatment is, is
complicated,
but
certainly nothing
is really impossible. This report talks a lot about the barriers that we have, right, how, what, for example, space is one. You know,
the
funding and some of the regulations.
So
in some ways, I want to kind of look at it a little differently and say, well, what
we
can do is like, for example, what would you suggest is a lowest hanging fruit of what we could do moving forward to, to provide that?
Because
the number, you know,
really
speaks for itself,
right?
People in our custody and those on probation truly need help.
That's
not, you know, debatable.
And
certainly we don't think the status quo would work.
So
there's something we need to do. So, so what would you suggest as far as the lowest hanging fruit? What
can
we do based on what we've got?
I think, speaking from a medical standpoint, the substance use disorder treatment really falls on two aspects.
One
is continued follow -up and, and of patients who require CBD cognitive behavior therapy. And the second component, at least for opioid use disorder,
is
the continued follow -up and treatment for patients who have, who would benefit from medication treatment.
The
two go hand in hand and, and they, their best, we serve patients best when they're both intertwined together in the treatment plan.
Right
now we have a, a, a good team of providers who is able to provide the medication aspect of, of opioid use disorder treatment. But we do not have right now the available resources to provide the continued follow -up for patients who would benefit from CBT
therapy
while they're incarcerated.
So
it goes down to follow -up, not so much the fact that the,
because
of the team you have, right, you're able to do the work but
then
the follow -up is where the, what's lacking? Well,
I, I think what you mentioned earlier is that, you know, it's, it's, it's not just a
one
-time treatment. And it's not just one modal, one mode of therapy.
Medication
treatment that we're offering right now is just one component of, of substance use disorder treatment. The other significant component that we need to have robust resources on is the CBT component of treatment.
And,
you know, it's, it's, you know,
MAT
therapy, the medication treatment is not as effective without the other component.
So
if that is our lowest hanging fruit, what would you suggest is our next step to try to
bring
that into our system?
Well,
our existing mental health team doesn't have that expertise.
So
we, in the short term, we are looking for additional training to
bring
that expertise in -house. And
so
the mental health team is building out, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the
mental health team is building out that
capacity so that they're able to have that in -house. Right now, it's very minimal, the
folks
that we have from the mental health team that have, you know, addiction expertise to be able to do the cognitive therapy that Dr. Wong is speaking to. And
so, Dr. Wong, is
there
something you would suggest besides, I mean, training folks in -house would be great,
certainly,
but in the meantime, before even training takes place anyway, we
could
get some, is there or who would be doing something like this that we
might
be able to do? To leverage some of their expertise to bring in?
I
think we have staff, currently, to medical social workers that is screening patients for opioid use disorder or who would benefit from treatment.
I
don't want to speak towards to
the
resources available right now, but I think, ideally, if we want to have the treatment that would be most beneficial,
it
would actually combine both.
Combine
both, right, yeah.
I
just wanted to add, you know, I think this kind of also falls in the category,
unfortunately,
of some of the topics we were discussing earlier, which is right now in the space we have available to provide treatment and counseling services,
we
are struggling to be able to have adequate capacity to meet the legally mandated requirements. And
unfortunately,
although all of us
agree
that these are services we want, to and will offer in the future,
they're
not legally mandated to be provided to folks in custody. And
so
we're struggling right now, I think, with that
fact, that unless and until we have kind of a different level of custody staffing to support care, and most
importantly,
larger facilities in which we can deliver it, we have to be laser focused on meeting what
are the
legal mandates, both under the consent decrees, but also the other legal mandates to which the, the jail staff are subject in giving access to, for example, some of the attorney consultations that were referenced earlier.
And
so I think these are exactly the sorts of items that when we're
talking
about building the future state of our custodial facilities, we really
want
to be in a position to offer, which is exactly to get, allow people to begin that broader recovery journey to meet some of the maybe court imposed treatment
requirements,
that they can initiate during their stay in custody.
But
in addition to what might be some
challenges
we face with the capacities of our current staff,
we
also just face this critical need to prioritize those legal mandated services.
And so
some of the work that we're
doing
right now that's laser focused on getting in place all the infrastructure needed to come into compliance with the consent decrees will allow us to then pivot to start working on how do we build capacity both in early phases, but certainly later phases of our facility transformation to do exactly what we're talking about.
And Michelle, I just want to add, I think part of what you're seeing here is this collaboration. So we do have some of the expertise in behavioral health and our substance use partners.
So
really leveraging that and also working in partnership with our programs unit to really understand better how to do, not more with less, but really how to do more with what we
currently
have in an efficient and effective manner.
And
so some of that is in this collaboration and working together and
partnering
more or understanding what resources are available and how do we make sure we're leveraging them for the right people at the right time and in a
comprehensive way
so that not one person is getting 10 treatments, but we're getting 10 people with one treatment or, you know, somehow evening that out across the full population. Thank you. So
I
think even though we don't have a clean answer, I think we're leveraging kind of the
expertise
within our own county departments, talking more, communicating more,
decreasing
some of the siloed approaches and really thinking differently about how to manage
what often feels unmanageable in the current facilities and processes.
One
thing mentioned is about counseling, right, which is all part of this CBT, am I right? Yeah. It's part of the need because we need folks who are trained on it.
And
the fact that we talk about AI and all that, are there potential, like questionnaires and whatnot, we could use AI to potentially collect some of this
data
and not necessarily require it in person. So
that
way, I'm just maximizing the amount of people that truly in person need it while we still be able to do data gathering and try
to
have a, like you said, do more with what you've got.
I would hesitate right now to leverage the current technology, especially AI, I think we need to be very thoughtful in terms of implementing that. And again, it's what Michelle says, it's the improvement of the
collaboration
between the sheriff's department, also custody health, potentially can fill in some gaps that we have and, you know, once we are able to assess what the needs are in particular, we can actually move forward.
Sounds
like you have a plan.
This
is very exciting.
How
long do you think you could have something back to us to let us know how it's moving along?
Yeah,
I think right now we are building out a more robust dashboard for our patients who have an opioid use disorder and
we're
going to focus on opioid use disorder right now. And I think we can do that. We can probably come back in about six months.
We
have a medical monitor visit coming up in July.
And
so we're hopeful that we can get something going by then.
Great,
okay, so if that's the case, I would, if I may make a motion, Chair, is to make a motion to receive a report and also request a report back in six months, focusing on
custody
treatment, rather highlighting, you know, what other things we can do,
highlighting
the partnership collaborations we just talked about today and how we can do
more
with the resources we currently have.
Would that
work, Dr. Wong?
Yes.
Thank you. And
I was just going to add, Supervisor, if this works for both you and Supervisor Ellenberg, we can also look to see if bringing back this follow -up report alongside some of the forthcoming reports on the jail facility transformation
work
may best align some of the programmatic and facilities -based
components
of how we're kind of tackling this challenge of not being in a great position to do some of the service expansions, if that makes sense.
So if
we could have just a little bit of flexibility, it may even come back sooner than
six
months to achieve that alignment,
but
if it's month seven, we do want to just also make sure we can provide the committee with a more comprehensive assessment of what the plan and
barriers
are. I'm glad to second that with flexibility.
Thank
you. Thank
you. That's
all I have.
Just
a quick question on this. I
know
that Medi -Cal doesn't cover people in custody, period, right? We
have our resident expert on exactly what Medi -Cal has evolved to cover and not
cover.
So I'll defer to Michelle De La Calle. Oh, the 90 -day piece, right? Yeah.
I forgot, yeah.
Certain
services are eligible in the 90 -day pre -release period.
Would
that include SETS treatments
once we're able to do that? It does include SETS treatment, but it also requires, it requires that we know the 90 -day beforehand, which we don't always know because of the challenges of identifying release dates. So we will be able to bill for that.
I'll
just make the caveat that it is not the robust billing or reimbursement model that's under the behavioral mental health short oil
billing,
but it is under the fee -for -service Medi -Cal billing, which is a little
less,
it doesn't cover as much. And then we also have a sub -population within the jails that don't have coverage or have, don't qualify for Medi -Cal or have a commercial payer, and none of those would be billable.
So
again, the majority of commercial payers aren't billable. No, we're not able to bill commercial. Because they're in custody? Because they're in custody and they have commercial insurance, so
they
don't, they are not eligible for Medi -Cal.
Right, but I, and I,
yes,
but people with, with commercial insurance, the private insurance companies are allowed to exempt people from coverage while they're
in
custody? The only reason we're able to bill
Medi
-Cal is because of the Medi -Cal and CMS waiver, waiving the federal law that
says
that, or the federal statute that says that the state will be responsible for any healthcare services provided in the custodial setting.
Which
means the county will be responsible. Yes. But I didn't know that that was true of commercial. It's true of providers as well.
It
is true. I hate that whole thing.
I
know that's, that NACO has been, the National Association of Counties for years, has been trying to get that changed. This
is
obviously not the moment in the federal government to do that, but
I
think it's really immoral to decide that people in custody somehow shouldn't.
My
opinion is that. Yes, ma 'am. With this waiver coming through and that being identified, Mm -hmm. There's a potential that that will allow more leverage with the federal government or whoever makes those decisions. Right. As well as kind of the standardization of that process.
So
I'm hopeful that this will set the stage to make changes in other areas, but. Are you talking about the 1115 waiver? That's what we're on right now. We're
on the
1115 waiver for that waiver of 90 -day pre -release Medicaid. Right.
But
when does that whole waiver expire?
I don't remember the exact dates for the waiver expiration, but they are intending to
extend
that. And they anticipate it being extended. Extended, amazing. Because there's currently 21 states I think with active or in -process waivers around the same concept across the country. Oh, that's really good news. So across party lights.
Yeah,
thank you. Wow, that is good to hear. Any other comments? Seeing none, let's vote please.
First Chairperson Lee. Aye. And Chairperson Smith. And Chairperson Ellimer.
Yes. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Let me go to, are there any announcements under item nine? Good news preferred.
Go
ahead, Howard.
Just quickly, so April is second chance month.
So
we are gearing up to do some exciting events.
We have
about 13 events program for April. Our signature is our. A screening of a documentary. And then also a second chance employment panel webinar. And then collaborating with probation on an employment resource fair. And then we'll also continue doing our pop -up resource fair.
So
Morgan Hill Police Chief Palsgrove has welcomed us to do one in Morgan Hill. So
we
have that for May 1st.
So
just a collaboration between a police chief asking for services for his community. So
we're really
excited about that. That
is good to hear. Thank you.
Looking
for other lights. President Lee.
Yes, so last Friday, right here, we had our State of the County for 2026. I
see
many of the familiar faces who were here.
Thank
you for being there.
But
I do want to highlight less about my speech, but actually the video that was
produced.
That was a very good section, especially for our folks in reentry program and some of the really amazing things that reentry. So I want to give a shout out on that. And for those who have not watched it, go watch that video. It's
all
online now on YouTube and you can go to our District 3 website. But it's not hard to find. But
that
video that was produced was truly amazing. I
just
want to say kudos to reentry for the great work you guys are doing and so many of our partners and our public safety and justice here.
So
thank you very much for the great work. And
also
we got a great shout out I gave to folks who work so hard behind the scenes. For our Super Bowl 60, of course, our sheriff departments and our first responders and whatnot. But
at the
same time, we got to do six more times now that we got the fever coming. So thank
you. And tremendous congratulations as well to OPA that put that together. Absolutely.
High
quality, beautiful. I
watched
it like an outsider and just felt so proud of what our county does. All right. That is a perfect way to end. So we will. We will adjourn this meeting and reconvene. I
already
closed my calendar. Tuesday, April 7th at 10 a .m. That's Tuesday, April 7th at 10 a .m.
Thank
you, Nancy. We are adjourned. They
make me look good. I did very little.
I
just read the thing.
Well, good thing that they didn't screw it up.
I should
tell
you, OPA was a one male MC.
Yeah. We should have practiced the names. Thank you.